Alice and the Rabbit Holographic Universe

Myths and Stories: Our attempts to describe the phenomenal world in a coherent and intelligible fashion. I use two basic categories of stories for the purpose of this article.

There are stories about individual journeys, and there are stories about the collective’s journey. Collective to mean beyond the regionalism of tribes or nations.

Stories applicable to the collective of humanity because the message is universal in scope. The theme of a universally valued story is about a quest relevant to, and involving the whole.

In other words, the well being of the whole is at stake. Certain actions must be carried out in order to insure a continued and brighter future for the collective.

Stories containing universal values and themes are known to us as myths. A myth is a true story told in symbolic terms. A corrupted myth is a symbolic story understood in literal terms (Judeo-Christian).

Dreams are private myths and myths are public dreams
~ Joseph Campbell

This brings us to the crux of this article. We live in an age of mythic illiteracy, and subsequently we are unable to derive the meaning and therefore the deeper value of mythic stories unless we are hit over the head with the obvious. Think Avatar.

Story telling was once how we conveyed the mystery, awe, and workings of our world. Stories were vivified in the language of metaphor, imagery, archetypes, and symbols. Motion pictures approach the ritual of ancient story telling much more so than books.

Most of us go see a movie, and unless we are familiar with the meaning of symbols and archetypes, we are apt to miss out on much of what is being conveyed, and/or we take the movie literally. Think The Matrix. Many believe The Matrix is a sci-fi account about machines that have taken over the world.

But when viewed through the lens of mythos The Matrix is a near perfect reflection of the human cultural condition in which our robotic nature has gotten the best of us. The reality is that there are flesh and blood humans at the controls, and they are robotically committed (encultured habit) to the horror we now live.

When I say “we” I am referring to humanity, and the vast majority of humanity is subject to the ruthlessness of the few.

A mythological understanding of stories says that they are reliable, veritable and useful reflections of life, culture, and the cosmos. The article you are reading is concerned in particular with those stories reflective of not only the human collective, but also the source of reality and our myths – the cosmos.


Messages from Beyond?

The mythologist Joseph Campbell discovered that many of humanities great myths share thematic content and common patterns of development. [1] Elements that transcend culture, time, and distance.

Some sort of interconnective tissue enables us to reproduce certain story elements with constancy and similarity.

The timeless and universal archetypes of Carl G. Jung are said to reside in the collective unconscious. [2]

The imprint of life’s rhythms and forms over millennia can account for the presence of shared motifs within our collective unconscious. Nature’s forms are constant, and they are the same for everybody.

But I have noted other elements in stories that cannot be accounted for via a local mechanism.

Meaning that, due to lack of certain circumstances, the writer could not have acquired the content, nor the significance of the content from either direct experience nor the reservoir of the collective unconscious.

There are elements which some might dismiss as being arbitrary or fanciful bursts of sheer creativity. In many cases they could be, but I will argue that certain story elements might be acquired via a non-local mechanism.

By non-local, I mean the ability to access information via means other than direct sensory experience.

Non-locality comes to us from discoveries in physics, but we may also attribute various forms of psychic and paranormal phenomena to non-local mechanisms. [3]

The reflection of reality in our stories is so consistent and accurate that I have wondered if there is not some means by which the integrity of reality is insured, as it’s conveyed by the writer in his or her terms and without the writer even being aware of why they write the detail they do. Alice in Wonderland provides some excellent examples of what I mean in the foregoing.

A significant body of research now indicates that the subconscious is the “real brains” behind our decision making, and that our subconscious assessments are even more accurate than our conscious ones.[4]

Our brains have been shown to compute decisions subconsciously, and upon reaching a certain threshold of neuronal activity the solution slips into conscious awareness.[4]

Studies show that our brains are hardwired to reach optimum decisions with the information it has on hand.[4] In other words, left to its own devices, the subconscious is extremely adept at reaching accurate decisions relative to the information it has on hand.

The quality of our assessments is then dependent upon the quality of the information the brain is working with  – simple enough. We now have a reliable mechanism to account for the consistent and consistently accurate rendition of elements found in myths.

We now need a mechanism to account for those story elements that could not have been accessed via the collective unconscious nor standard sensory inputs. Enter the Holographic Universe. [5]


Rabbit Holes within Worm Holes

An individual is an ensemble of personality characteristics constituting a whole person. In turn the individual is part of a family, and the family is part of a community of families, and so on until we reach the greatest whole known as humanity.

Humanity in turn is but one part of the planetary whole. Wholes embedded or nested within wholes is the basic premise of a holographic universe.

By applying a wholes within wholes line of reasoning, stories of universality need not involve scenarios like The Matrix or The Lord of the Rings where the collective is literally represented.

A family drama could just as easily reflect the human cultural condition just as every actor in a story could be said to represent one of our many selves (masks).

Alice in Wonderland is one such story, but before I delve into the imagery of Alice, I want to take you down a portion of the rabbit holographic universe.

And don’t worry you shan’t be late for tea… for in a holographic universe everything is always on time.

The implications of a holographic universe are vast, and this article touches on those with the greatest impact on our understanding reality. The article is not an in depth technical explication, but is intended to provoke curiosity into what many think, myself included, is the past, present, and future of cosmology.

However, I do provide links to more thorough treatments. I will also show how the holographic universe fits well with the cosmology I am developing based on the Tzolkin Cycle.

Certain descriptions of a holographic universe sound like familiar spiritual concepts related to unity and wholeness. According to the holographic paradigm, everything contains the whole of the universe, in as much as the universe contains everything.

We are a reflection of the universe as much as the universe is a reflection of us, and we may apply this analogy to anything. This aspect alludes to the most basic structure of the universe at the smallest scales.

It says that whatever the order and properties of such a structure, they are such that we can trace the past and calculate the future in the most unconventional of ways.

Then factor for the simultaneity of past, present, and future, and things begin to get curioser and curioser.[5b]

The foregoing implies a repeating pattern. More on this further down.

The universe contains us, and we contain the universe, or more precisely we are extrusions of the Universe. That is, we are like a fold in the continuous fabric of the Universe that is shaped into yet another form as permitted by the local conditions.

Think of a telescoping mechanism in which the same object is extended (extruded). The fully extended telescoping object is segmented, but each segment is an identical version of the next (fractality).

The only difference is scale or size, but the content is scale-invariant. Meaning that the content remains qualitatively consistent despite differences in size or form. So too are we telescoped-extrusions of the universe or energy-matter continuum.

We may apply the classic holographic film example to my telescoping analogy.

Any piece of a holographic film is capable of reproducing the entire image. But as we halve each piece the holographic image gets fuzzier. [5]

If we start with a human and then trace the evolutionary ladder does not the image of the human get increasingly fuzzier (furrier) the further back we go into evolutionary history?

At one point we arrive at scale of an electron “cloud” which coincidentally looks like a dust bunny. Was that fuzzy enough?


Implicate and Explicate Orders

The renowned Physicist David Bohm refers to reality as “The undivided wholeness of a flowing movement” and he gives the modern world a model that I think will clean up the messy world of particle physics.[6]

His model of implicate and explicate orders is also poised to reconcile the rigid objectivity of modern science with the subjectivity of the mythosophical realm. Bohm’s implicate and explicate orders supports a holographic model of the universe.[6]

In a holographic universe there are no real boundaries, nor is there any real distance, or any separation between one thing or another. [6] We simply cannot see the cojoining mediums.

But with the right tools (telescopes-microscopes-hallucinogens-states of mind-models) we can see or infer that they are there.

A holographic universe posits the simultaneity of past, present, and future. The implication of simultaneity means that all of the information needed to reconcile the past, present, and future already exists.[5b]

The properly attuned receiver-perceiver is then able to access information both into the future and distant, non-personal past. Formal experiments with LSD [5] and remote viewing [5c] have revealed this.

In particular, the ability to go into the past and access information pertaining to the craziest of things, such as assuming the being of a reptile, among many other formally documented instances that are comprehensible in a holographic universe.[5]

Amazonian shaman claim to have obtained their vast knowledge of the plant kingdom via the mental journeys they make while under the influence of ayahuasca.[8]

Telepathy, psychic abilities, and a host of other paranormal phenomena are understandable when we realize that additional frequencies of the electro-radio spectrum become accessible to the properly attuned receiver-perceiver. Our brain may be likened to a radio receiver, and our neuro-chemistry the tuner.

A holographic universe presumes an underlying order capable of relating everything to everything else, and a system to account for what has been, what is, and what will be.

This leads us to a deterministic universe, and many don’t like that idea because of our en-cultured attachment to the inherited notion of Judeo-Christian (JC) free-will, which when properly understood is a term for separateness.

Bound and Determined

JC free will is tied in with a creator that is not part of “his” creation. JC free-will presumes a free wheeling free will acting capriciously in some yet to be discovered vacuum of space.

Yet there are consequences if we do something “against the will of God” even though “he” is separate from us – go figure.

A JC free will universe asserts an independence that we well know does not exist. Every choice you make is always related to, and in reference to, and a consequence of some prior instance(s).

Our choices are not made in a vacuum, but are constrained and predetermined by a range of circumstances. In the previous paragraphs I introduced the idea that the subconscious is the real decision maker.

All living organisms are driven by some force to grow, sustain, complexify, and then dissolve. We may decide, if fortunate enough, what kind of foods to eat, but we are compelled to eat.

Eating, sleeping, reproduction, seeking shelter, and experiences are determined primary behaviors, and those behaviors in turn determine the actions we make in between each kind of primary behavior.

We are conceived, we are born, we grow, we decline, and we die. A determined chain of events we are all bound to obey. Our life is spent finding a place to sleep, procuring things to eat, reproducing, and seeking experiences.

Each act is actualized without needing to exert a will. We are driven by biological compulsion, and biology is driven by the inherent properties of the same energy-matter it is constituted from.

You feel hunger in your stomach and sexual desire in your gonads. We are naturally drawn to exploration which means moving around. We are bound by design to act and react. Automatically we digest our food. Automatically our cells replicate millions of times a day.

Circadian cycles tell our neurons to release melatonin thus inducing sleep. Brain cells automatically discharge dopamine when they are triggered by sensory inputs deemed pleasurable to our neurology. You don’t even decide what is pleasurable to you.

Your brain cells had determined that before you were born. Experiences after birth determine what circumstances we will associate with pleasure (sexual fetishes). Where is the will in all of this?

There is no need for a will, but rather an optimized option selecting system (OOPSS). I’m just having fun with that acronym. Our OOPSS is itself governed by parameters, such as economizing effort, avoiding damage, and minimizing loss, to name just a few.


A Code of Conduct

Our DNA behaves according to a determined set of rules defined by electro-chemical principles. Every single organism obeys the same rules we do, and we do not say that animals have a will, but that they are instinctually driven. When it comes down to it, we are qualitatively indistinguishable from other organisms. If someone can show me how we are qualitatively different from other organisms, then by all means, please leave a comment to that effect.

One of the most cherished claims about human uniqueness is language. Language is just a name for sonic communication. All organisms communicate, and many do so with sounds.

The DNA observes a specific sequence of events to accomplish what it is programmed to do. Everyone of your internal functions is automatic. You can’t even help but react.

Go to sleep and your brain dreams up fantasy realms of every sort. The mere act of observing triggers a mind boggling number of reactions inside your brain.

I know this is a very tight rabbit hole, but studies are pouring in to testify about what I am describing, and it’s really not as bad as it sounds.

We simply need to modify our understanding of how we actually function, and then discover the means available to us to increase our options and ability to select options.[9]

A deterministic universe must operate by some sort of code known as the laws of physics, or something like that. I am not convinced that the current approach of mainstream physics is the most accurate, the most sensible, or the only way to describe the way the universe works and is organized.

If a model cannot be readily applied to our everyday world then something is wrong with the model (Quantum Mechanics), or the modeler. The modeler may be burdened with subconscious assumptions about reality and/or may have inherited a worldview that interferes with the ability to accurately describe what they are seeing in their experiments. [10]

The scientific community has plenty of evidence to indicate that our present understanding of free will is an illusion.[9] Free will may be best thought of as relative freedom in which a slightly greater range of behaviors and options become available as we know more about all of the factors that can and do impinge upon our ability to make and access alternative choices.


The Conductor and Master Code?

We know what the code of life is (DNA). My work on the Tzolkin Code has shown a perfect code system matching up with the genetic code.[11] I have also shown how the number system of the Tzolkin Code underlies every scale of the energy-matter spectrum.[11]

As mentioned earlier, a holographic universe must operate by a set of rules or code. A system is defined as such because it is constituted of discrete and interacting parts, held in place by an intrinsic order or systematic process enabling its parts to function as a coherent whole.

Parts in turn made of others parts. You and your trillions of cells are able of function as a coherent whole due to your DNA code, and the rules of electro-chemistry. A society functions as a system because of various codes of conduct, both “natural” and contrived.

The idea of a universal code is also supported by the Digital Physics/Mechanics, or computational model of the universe.[12] I have come to believe that the Tzolkin Code is the universal code by which things move, arise, and organize, and it reveals the order, sequence, and place to everything we see and don’t see.

The Mesoamericans distilled the Tzolkin Code from their study of the numbers underlying the movements of the planets, moon, sun, and stars.[13] They also mapped how the cycle manifests itself in the day to day human realm. Their knowledge of the Tzolkin Cycle was written in the form of a code… a calendrical code.

Calendrics, simply put, is the study of the ebb and flow of cycles. According to my study of the Mesoamerican Calendrical system (MAC), it seems that we may understand the “mind’ of the universe via its various cycles, subcycles, and states. That is, the processes and process phases characteristic to our universe and its various extrusions.

The Tzolkin Code points to specific correspondences between a given cycle phase, and what we are apt to experience thematically.

Others, including myself, have written about how the Western worldview as represented by our language structure is noun (things) based, whereas the universe is perhaps best described as a process rather than a static thing.[10] And it just so happens that pre-columbian peoples of the Americas have a process, or verb based language indicative of a process based worldview. [10]

Essentially the Western worldview is ill disposed to properly articulate what they are seeing in their physics experiments.[10b] Hence, the jam in the physics community, a place with as many theories as there are particles.

This is not to discredit Western science, for their ability to manipulate energy-matter is nothing less than astounding, but a good tool maker is not necessarily a good cosmologist.


The Tzolkin Cycle represents a distillation of the most basic cycles intrinsic to our solar system, and their relationship to our Galaxy. The sub-cycles of the Tzolkin cycle are represented to us in the form of a code – the Tzolkin Code.

The Tzolkin Code consists of 20 symbols denoting the world of forms and its archetypes (objectivity), 4 colors denoting states (subjectivity), and 13 dots denoting an intensity scale. It is helpful to think of a day as a discrete phase in cycles, consisting of 4, 13, and 20 days.


Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe

The Tzolkin Code predicts the thematic content of a given time period according to the meaning of the symbols used to denote each aspect. A holographic universe supports a thoroughly interconnected universe, and goes further to imply that every event is synchronized in some relation to every other event.[5a]

My experience and study of MAC has lead me to understand how that is indeed the case. This is not hard to imagine when we realize that the trillions of cellular interactions happening within our body are synchronized activities. Without synchronization there is no organization. Try running your business with everybody operating on a different timing sequence.

An infinitely intimate and interconnected universe makes synchronicity a common place occasion, for every bit of information is somehow relevant and related to every other bit of information in a holographic universe.[5]

Meaning aggregates in proportion to ones awareness of relational factors. That means that the more we know about how our world interacts, develops, and unfolds, then the more meaning we are able to derive from our experiences.

The Tzolkin Code alerts us to the thematic script we are all following, and provides us with the full set of instructions, permitting us to see just how interconnected and synchronized everything is.

To this effect, mythic story telling is a function by which the undifferentiated, or universe as a whole, communicates with the differentiated collective via individuals whose cosmo-function is to relay information relevant to the whole.

Information that I believe serves the integrated function of a system, and that is to maintain and optimize its own dynamic equilibrium.[14] Universal stories (info.) are handed down to us as myths (coded instructions). A myth is true story told in symbolic terms.

Myths are to be considered whole messages (coherent information packets), generated by the workings of the universe as experienced and then related by extrusions of the universe known as human beings. A human being then extrudes ink or digital ink in a code format known as letters, and the rules of writing.

The systems function of a universal message is to increase coherence among it parts. An effective message is passed on in proportion to impart coherence. In other words, to enhance the survivability of itself and its interdependent parts.

Here is how the master story teller cosmologist said it himself.

It would not be too much to say that myth is the secret opening through which the inexhaustible energies of the cosmos pour into human cultural manifestation. Religions, philosophies, arts, the social forms of primitive and historic man, prime discoveries in science and technology, the very dreams that blister sleep, boil up from the basic, magic ring of myth…The latest incarnation of Oedipus, the continued romance of Beauty and the Beast, stand this afternoon on the corner of Forty-second Street and Fifth Avenue, waiting for the traffic light to change.

— Joseph Campbell, The Hero’s Journey

The parable of the Elephant and Twelve Blind Men aptly describes the current situation of the sciences, religions, or any other philosophical system attempting to model the workings, structure, and order of the universe.

Each one detects a feature that is indeed part of the elephant, but each asserts that the whole creature is like the trunk or tail each party has managed to latch on to.

I do believe though that the honor of describing the whole enchilada goes to the ancient peoples of present day Mexico.

I have given a cursory introduction into the mechanisms by which certain story features (coherent information packets) maybe universally accessed and relayed.

I have also related how we may rely on such stories to be accurate metaphorical renditions of past, present, and future events and states. By events I don’t mean specific events, but events of thematic equivalence.

As telescoped extrusions of a holographic universe we are the eyes, ears, nose, hands and minds of the multi-verse. All information about what has happened is stored, and knowledge of what will happen can be calculated.

Under the right circumstances, certain individuals can access such information, and what is expressed is nothing less than a download from the universal computer system; accurately reflecting to various degrees what has been, what is, and what will be.

All of the stories I refer to as being universal share common themes, archetypes, and motifs. A circular and holographic universe means a repeating script (sequence code) in which the content (characters-components) is constant and unchanging, but the outer forms (symbols, costumes, morphology) may, and do vary.

The forgoing is what makes prediction possible. If you know the code’s rules and sequence, you can predict what is next. I must stress that we can only predict the thematic content of a given time. Our knowledge of the seasons allows us to predict that spring will come again, and we may predict the thematic content of each season.

Foreknowledge of the precise timing (hour-minute) and appearance-disappearance of specific human events may always be out of our reach, and I don’t mind that, for I like surprises, but we may know the general theme and that is warning enough.

We have seen how every phenomena follows a predetermined path from conception to death. All processes follow a standard script. Every ending has a beginning. A persistent and repeating universal patterning of the phenomenal world explains the consistency of certain story themes and features across cultures and time.

But there are certain story elements in which direct experience, nor even the collective unconscious can account for its inclusion in the story.

Part two of this article will examine the themes, characters, and elements of Alice in Wonderland, in relation to my premise of myths as communiques from the undifferentiated collective (universe as whole), to the differentiated collective (humanity).

Of particular focus will be those elements whose inclusion and arrangement in the story can only be explained either by random chance (misnomer or the non-locality of a holographic universe).

It’s time for tea now.

Part 2 Coming soon (relatively speaking): Alice in Wonderland. The Caterpillar, the Mushroom, and the Logos of the Universe (working title)

[1] The Monomyth

[2] Collective Unconscious

[3] Non-Locality

[4] Subconscious Decision making

[5] The Holographic Universe

[5a] Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe

[5b] Albert Einsteins explication of the simultaneity of past, present and future

[5c] Remote Viewing

[6] David Bohm Implicate-Explicate Order

[7]The Intelligent Bacterium

[8] Psychotropic passage ways into subways of the Holographic Universe

[9] Redefining “Free Will”

[10] An incomplete View vs a Holistic View of Nature

[10b] Quantum processes require a process based language

[11] Systems within Systems: Self-Organizing Systems from Atoms to Humanity

[12]Digital physics

13 Cycles of Time

[14] Dynamic Equilibrium


  1. Rader

    You ask:”If someone can show me how we are qualitatively different from other organisms, then by all means, please leave a comment to that effect.” Well probably the most outstanding is we can construct objects that are not found in nature. To do that we have to understand mathematics without it nothing could be built. To discover the mathematics to build anything requires reason.

    • Rohaan Solare

      Hello Rader! I’m going to reply to your comments one at a time. You responded to my question of “If someone can show me how we are qualitatively different from other organisms, then by all means, please leave a comment to that effect.” Your reply was “Well probably the most outstanding is we can construct objects that are not found in nature” . Have you considered that spiders construct webs and birds make nests. Honeybees make honeycombs and beavers make dams.

      What those animals make do not assemble themselves and they are all mathematical structures. You are confusing reasoning with conscious thinking. How many things don’t you do that don’t require conscious computations?

      Do you have to first consciously calculate how much energy you are going to need to jump over an object? Your brain does that automatically. Brains are first and foremost computers that calculate actions and reactions without having to consciously think them out. Humans represent the ultimate in mobility and flexibility.

      The difference between us an other organisms is not qualitative but quantitative and my initial question asked about qualitative differences not quantitative ones.

      • Rader Agreed Birds spiders and honeybees understand grade school geometry. Consciousness is not inclusive to only humans. If birds spiders and honeybees were not conscious of what they were they would have no way of knowing what they were capable of. There are levels of consciousness and that depends on the wiring of the structure. Not that the consciousness is caused by the wiring but Consciousness uses the wiring to know what it is like to be what it is. What I meant was you do not find airplanes flying with the birds submarines swimming with the dolphins or cars roaming with buffalo. Granted most of the everyday being a human is automated but nothing can build a skyscraper without conscious calculation of how to do it. You are pointing out what is obviously automatic and My answers are what distinguish humans from other creatures. The capability to use reason I believe reason is qualitative. We will never agree upon this because there is no definition of whether reason is qualitative or quantitative it’s all in our heads. Is there a mathematical proof for reason?
        Maybe you would like this answer the qualitative difference between everything is Nothing. What you see is what you get an illusion of humans birds spiders and honeybees.

        • Rohaan Solare

          Chimps can reason. It’s called theory of mind and chimps possesses it as well. Here are two links that show how that is so. Again you point out quantitative differences.

          • Rader

            It says “There is good evidence, however, that not all chimpanzees, let alone any other nonhuman primate species, can match relations between relations despite their success on physical matching tasks (Thompson & Oden” Also “Analogical reasoning may be indeed a hallmark of human reasoning.” So what are you saying Reason is nothing more than a matter of a quantitative nesting in mammals? Maybe if you tell me how everything is qualitatively the same I can better point out how it might not be. I will say this everything is qualitatively a electromagnetic wave but when you observe them you end up with objects that are most certainly not.

          • Rohaan Solare

            Reason is another word for conscious human calculations/computation. Chimps posses a theory of mind and therefore they can reason. They simply are not as complex as humans and therefore they cannot reason to the same degree. A quantitative difference. I have not said that “everything is qualitatively the same”. The only way to approach a useful and constructive dialogue is treat matters point by point. That is what I have done and that is what I will continue to do.

  2. Rader

    You say: “One of the most cherished claims about human uniqueness is language. Language is just a name for sonic communication.” All organisms communicate, and many do so with sounds.” I agree but let’s examine the human. How much is really understood. My theory about language is we really do not understand what anybody is talking about were just guessing. If mathematics were the only spoken language there would be no misunderstanding. Let me explain; We are going to have a series of written exchanges. I am going to put a meaning to every word I type it’s private and it’s in my head. You receive my words and set a meaning to what I have said and it’s private in your head. Then it’s my turn to take a shot at it. Only after many exchanges can we get a intuitive drift of knowing enough to make a guess of what it means if I call you a dinosaur. Not only that my meanings may drift and so do yours depending on how the conversation goes. So in the end maybe we would agree on what. You what I want to understand is you because I already understand me.

    • Rohaan Solare

      I agree that the exchange of information is fraught with challenges and it’s no accident that the Wind archetype of communication is the Human archetype’s antipode or challenge. Careful dialogue leads to better exchange of communication. And then there is the scientific method when all else fails.

      • Rader

        That’s what intrigues me about Tzolkin Cosmology this code is a mathematical language to explain what we observe. It’s so obvious from what I posted you posted we have reposted what chaos written language is. It’s like a tug of war to get each other’s point across. :)This may be Useful

  3. Rader

    You say “The scientific community has plenty of evidence to indicate that our present understanding of free will is an illusion.[9] Free will may be best thought of as relative freedom in which a slightly greater range of behaviors and options become available as we know more about all of the factors that can and do impinge upon our ability to make and access alternative choices.” Are you aware of the fact that observation in the present may change the past to modify the future. The only way this can be accomplished is by an Observer changing the observation. The experiment is carried out with no deterministic set of rules it is a “Free Will” choice of the observer. The scientific community is as divided as you say as there are particles to count. Let’s look at the facts; There isn’t anything until something looks “The “Observer” that’s uncomfortable for many. So maybe there is only One Observer and a Big Dream and we are dreamers inside the big dream. So they may have got it partly right Reality is an illusion. Let me give you an example of a “Free Will Choice” in its pure state. When you meditate deep and reach the state of loss of all five senses and you can see Nothing yet black is light and all directions is the same and whatever is observing there is nothing but it. What do do you think brings back whatever I am to whatever this is if not a “Free Will Choice”

    • Rohaan Solare

      It is not a “fact” as you say when you use words like “may change” when you don’t provide evidence for it. And I don’t believe that “nothing is out there” until it’s observed. Nobody was around to witness the formation of our solar system and yet it formed when eye balls had yet to evolve.

      My primary point about free will is that it’s relative and in a state of being redefined to accord with our observations of how the Universe operates and everything points to a deterministic universe. Free will is merely the ability to choose between a set of predetermined options. We can’t get away from determinism and so what we still have a lot of fun don’t we.

      • Rader

        Here we go again the language barrier. May change means if you do the experiment and a conscious observation is made. Here is the evidence to my prior statement. It takes a while to comprehend but you could do it. Everyone of my statements is base on what I think I know about what science thinks they know. Not that it’s infallible but we have to have a starting point for logical discussion. The present Cosmological view of the universe is that it is expanding and at a ever expanding rate. Several times in100 yrs this has been modified and yet we do not know what 96% of everything is. So let’s get to my main point. Everything known is a result of a nested observation all the way back to whatever makes you comfortable to call it. You do not have to be around nor do I to observe but something was. Look we could debate for a century on this one. I will say this until neuroscience can find in my brain where consciousness is hiding I will stick with my theory. The universe is fundamentally Consciousness and all the objects found in it are nothing more than tools to observe itself.
        I still do not understand your meaning of Free Will. Does it mean we have a choice to choose our Emergent Culture or is it already determined?

        • Rohaan Solare

          I have addressed the first half of your comment in a previous response on the nature of facts. I’m not interested in what we think the Universe is fundamentally made of. That is a dog chasing its tail kind of proposition. I’m interested in how it works according to the way we experience it without sensory augmenting tools. That’s what Tzolkin Cosmology is about and that’s what this website is dedicated to.

          You don’t understand my definition of free will because I have not offered a formal definition of it. I have said that our definition of free will is undergoing revision. I have said that free will may be better described as our ability to choose among several predetermined options. And it is also known that our ability to make decisions are preconditioned as well. Which is another way to say predetermined.

          For example let’s say two people are lost in the wilderness. In order to survive they must eat what they can find. One of the individuals is a plant biologist who also happens to be vegetarian and the other is an urbanite with no knowledge of plants but is omnivorous.

          The former knows that there are poisonous berries to avoid but the latter does not. At this point there are only poisonous berries and wild game available to eat. The plant biologist’s choice has been predetermined because he knows he can’t eat the berries so he must hunt wild game. But he has a dilemma. Philosophically he has renounced meat, but his survival is in peril.

          The drive to survive is the strongest impulse we have unless we are suicidal. The plant biologist is not suicidal, therefore he will kill and eat meat to survive. His knowledge predetermined the path he was to take and the drive to survive compelled him to go against his so called free will conscious choices.

          Now let’s check on our urbanite. Picking berries is a whole lot easier than hunting game so the urbanite’s first choice is to eat all the berries because biology and physics first demands that we take the least action path because it’s the most energy efficient so physical and biological laws demand it.

          So the urbanite’s choice is predetermined biological nature as well. The point being that the impulse to survive is the principle driver of human behavior not our conscious choices. And that our choices are preconditioned by what we know or think we know. The compulsion to survive relegates free will to the back seat.

          And to answer your last question… “is our emergent culture predetermined”. The answer is yes, emergent culture is predetermined based on the arguments I have shared in this article, in this response and found in emerging scientific literature. Links provided

          The free will rebellion

          Libet Redux: Free will takes another hammering

          Free Will: Neuroscience vs. Philosophy

          Why free will may be an illusion

          Free will similar in animals, humans – but not so free

          Free Will: The Last Gasp of the Unenlightened Mind

          • Rader

            Yes I believe we got our facts strait what we think facts are.

            Then your definition of Cosmology is not this? The usual meaning is origen evolution and eventual fate. How do you separate how it works from how it came to be?

            I understand Tzolkin Code is mathematical. I understand that for it to work it must be coherent with what we observe in cosmology. I understand we as intelligent conscious beings can see how it would work as we can trace evidence in the studies you have carried out over the years. I also understand that if the Tzolkin code is mathematical and it is, of course the numbers are predetermined. I also understand there is more that one way to arrive at a mathematical solution. You said “free will was the ability to choose between predetermined options”.

            You said “The strongest drive we humans have is survival.” It seems there is a part of the equation your leaving out or there are several solutions. Yes choices are predetermined by what we thing we know. But the difference is they can be determined by the way they ought to be. Look whats going on in Kiev. I do not think anyone is suicidal each individual there decided the community must survive at the cost of the individual.

            Your links on free will now make it very clear to me also how you came to know what you think you know. I believe we are both Galactic Skywalkers this is what’s befuddles me. We have the same kin but born on very different points in spacetime. You said I have a need for something more yet I never said you have a need for something less to come up with explanations. Seems you have a lot of faith in what neuroscience says and Daniel Dennett. They defend deteminism yet know not how the brain can have conscious states or have ever used in any of there papers the Tzolkin code.

            I hope you meant to say the Emergent Culture has a predetermined outcome depending on preconditioned choices of preconditioned solutions to bring real change.

          • Rohaan Solare

            The root and original meaning of cosmology means the study of the order of the cosmos or the world at large inclusive of our everyday reality. It’s a body of knowledge that describes how we think the universe operates inclusive of the human domain. Now at this stage of development Tzolkin cosmology can show how the Tzolkin code models our everyday world. Later it will be possible to reconcile the standard model of particle physics with the Tzolkin.

            Modern scientific cosmologies are concerned with the structure and nature of physical, energetic systems. It leaves life out of the equation and their myopic, reductionist, separatist approach has failed to see the bigger picture and that is the process of such systems as interrelated wholes.

            Cosmology is also used to refer to a group’s worldview as in ancient Mesoamerican cosmology. Please see my article on holistic cosmology for more on cosmology.

            My kin is 1 Star not 8 Skywalker. I think that the main reason you are befuddled is because I don’t subscribe to a creationist logic. Determinism isn’t bad it just means that there is a fixed order to how things develop. And as you can see it seems as if we have quite a bit of freedom within such a system.

            The Tzolkin cycle is proof that the cosmos is intrinsically self balancing and self healing. We know human society is out of balance and in need of healing. My confidence in a future just and sane world where we abolish militarism and parasitic economic-political systems is based on my observation and understanding of what the Tzolkin cycle and code implies and that is wholeness and symmetry. The Tzolkin process assures that.

            And that’s why we are witnessing the rise of democratizing trends just when the current world system is busting at the seams. Democratization is a rebalancing process. Imperial civilization was given a 5000 year life span. Reptiles were predetermind to evolve and so is human culture.

          • Rader

            We now know that photons are responsible for all the automatic determined information exchange in the cell without making conscious decisions notwithstanding determinism and dualism in themselves may be incorrect. Photons deliver all the predetermined information for the correct assembly of millions of operations in the cell every day. It can be clearly seen how all this can be accomplished a Tzolkin mathematical code. One might ask where did the photons get the correct mathematical information.The code is the information. Neuroscience has a week argument claiming what they do until they can prove where consciousness is created in the brain. I see no reason why there cannot be a mathematical code of operations how things work and a Homunculus overseeing operations. Tomas Nigel hints at what I think I know.

          • Rohaan Solare

            How do you define a homunculus?

      • Rader

        One thing you must understand Facts are not some infallible doctrine they may change over time . To be more precise it is the interpretation of the fact which changes. I been lucid dreaming last night about our conversations. After reading this post many times. It just dawned on me our interpretations of Free Will may be very close it’s our interpretations of the others which think there not.

        • Rohaan Solare

          What makes you think that I don’t understand that facts are fallible or to be more precise non-absolute. It is a fact that the sky is blue and has been blue for quite some time, but I allow for the possibility that its color may change sometime in the very distant future due to an alteration in the atmosphere’s chemical composition. That is bound to happen. An “interpretation of a fact” changes if the fact itself changes, as we should expect or if we discover new information that alters what we know about said fact.

  4. Rader

    You said “Humans represent the ultimate in mobility and flexibility.” The problem with language is definition it’s not math. If you were to say the mobility and flexibility of a human is number 13-8=5 I would say I agree but since you use language I do not understand what you mean. A human can fly better than a bird swim better than a dolphin run faster than a leopard. You must mean inside of the machines they build.

    • Rohaan Solare

      Human physiology (brain included) is what enables us to do everything we do with or without machines. That is where we can claim that we are different from other species but that uniqueness is still quantitative. You still point out qualitative differences.

      • Rader

        Humans are qualitatively just a bunch of atoms like everything else but at the the top of a nesting cycle which in effect is quantitative.

  5. Rader

    My definition of Homunculus is not in any dictionary but mine. In light of what I have linked his work is my definition so to say. All objects in the universe emit and absorb photons. Humans for example emit light when THEY know What its like to be a Human. When there is no light in the cell they no longer know what it’s like to be a Human. Understanding what nesting means all objects know what it’s like to be what they know they are when they emit a frequency of what they are. So my definition of Homunculus is a light frequency of what a object knows it is.

  6. @NewsNeus (Neus Lorenzo)

    Very inspiring and challenging! 🙂
    Honesty, I don’t think we are qualitatively different from other organisms, but I do think human Culture (collective codes) is qualitatively different from other social specie or animal community, because ours allows us develop layers up-on-layers of meta-reflection: we classify both what is ‘real and unreal’,explaining how we konw it, and reflect strategically on how we know that we know…
    The main different is not our ability of “transforming reality”, but it’s probably related to our capability to transmit complex feelings through codes that gives us different “representation of reality and non-reality”.
    Language skills are common to many animal species, and it’s obviously difficult to prove human difference (how do we know whales are not building a philosophical corpus of alternative universes, more elaborated than any human one, right now?)… But I think the capability of using, sharing, learning and teaching all languages, Maths, Music and maybe some other behavioral codes is an evidence of our “quality difference”, if any: non-factual cultural recursive thinking.
    In fact, animals can create new objects, collaborate for changing environment and transmit ideas through language. But humans are the only ones (as far as we know) that can convert all our cultural codes into a single communicative one that re-elaborates them and offer a meta-level interpretation (we use Maths to express reality, language to explain Maths, digital 0-1 code to represent language…).
    Images, text, movement, real stream videos, plus layers of virtual reality and digital augmented reality… everything we identify and codify can be transmitted, as well as any emerging, creative, abstract thought from imaginary alternative realities. Humans are able to integrates reasoning complexity of ‘past-present-future reality’ and ‘hypothetical, non-reality’ together in a code, and to interrelate them, expressing both existing and non-existing layers of facts, thoghts and opinions on thoughts, in a never ending meta-reflection.

    (I’m a not native English speaker, sorry… I hope this makes sense to you… Thank you for your blog!)

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